Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism

Includes a new AfterwordFinalist for the Council on Foreign Relations Arthur Ross Book AwardOne of the world s foremost authorities on the subject of suicide terrorism, the esteemed political scientist Robert Pape has created the first comprehensive database of every suicide terrorist attack in the world from 1980 until today In Dying to Win, Pape provides a groundbreakinIncludes a new AfterwordFinalist for the Council on Foreign Relations Arthur Ross Book AwardOne of the world s foremost authorities on the subject of suicide terrorism, the esteemed political scientist Robert Pape has created the first comprehensive database of every suicide terrorist attack in the world from 1980 until today In Dying to Win, Pape provides a groundbreaking demographic profile of modern suicide terrorist attackers and his findings offer a powerful counterpoint to what we now accept as conventional wisdom on the topic He also examines the early practitioners of this guerrilla tactic, including the ancient Jewish Zealots, who in A.D 66 wished to liberate themselves from Roman occupation the Ismaili Assassins, a Shi ite Muslim sect in northern Iran in the eleventh and twelfth centuries World War II s Japanese kamikaze pilots, three thousand of whom crashed into U.S naval vessels and the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, a secular, Marxist Leninist organization responsible for suicide terrorist attacks than any other group in history.Dying to Win is a startling work of analysis grounded in fact, not politics, that recommends concrete ways for states to fight and prevent terrorist attacks now Transcending speculation with systematic scholarship, this is one of the most important studies of the terrorist threat to the United States and its allies since 9 11 Invaluable gives Americans an urgently needed basis for devising a strategy to defeat Osama bin Laden and other Islamist militants Michael Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris Provocative Pape wants to change the way you think about suicide bombings and explain why they are on the rise Henry Schuster, CNN Enlightening sheds interesting light on a phenomenon often mistakenly believed to be restricted to the Middle East The Washington Post Book World Brilliant Peter Bergen, author of Holy War, Inc.
Dying to Win The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism Includes a new AfterwordFinalist for the Council on Foreign Relations Arthur Ross Book AwardOne of the world s foremost authorities on the subject of suicide terrorism the esteemed political scientis

  • Title: Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
  • Author: Robert A. Pape
  • ISBN: 9780812973389
  • Page: 298
  • Format: Paperback
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    1. Robert Pape's study is an important contribution to our understanding of suicide terrorism. He explores the recent evolution and deployment of suicide terrorism as a political tactic. Some key points: Islamic terrorism is not the only exemplar of suicide terrorism; much suicide terrorism has "popular" support; suicide terrorism is often aimed at forcing occupying forces--especially democracies--to leave the territory that terrorists consider their home territory; perhaps most controversial, suic [...]

    2. What nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homelandAndThe data shows that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world's religions. In fact, the leading instigators of suicide attacks are the Tamil Tigers, a Marxist-Leninist group who are adamantly opposed to religion. This group committed 76 of the 315 inc [...]

    3. Do we want to end the seemingly endless cycle of attacks and counter-attacks in our endless war against Muslim extremists? Or maybe we want to just talk tough and keep invading countries the result of which thus far has been devastating in countless ways? Or do we want to try something crazy and new and pull out of the Middle East militarily?9/11 was a response to American occupation of Saudi Arabia and not some bullshit fantasy that they hate us for our freedoms. How do I know this? Because thi [...]

    4. I first of heard of this book by way of the immutable Scott Horton at antiwar/radio / kaosradioaustin/statio When I realized that Ron Paul used it as a primary source when he countered the ridiculous claims by Rudy Guiliani that "they hate us for our freedoms" and over-used anti-logic about Islamic fundamentalism.Well researched and well presented prose details a picture that many of glaze over in the haze of media propaganda. I had some disagreement with the final chapter and Afterword that som [...]

    5. "Suicide terrorist groups are [not] religious cults isolated from the rest of their society, Rather, suicide terrorist organizations often command broad social support within the national communities from which they recruit, because they are seen as pursuing legitimate nationalist goals, especially liberation from foreign occupation."If you still believe that suicide terrorist groups are always intact with religious fundamentalism at play, you should consider reading this books. Robert Pape spe [...]

    6. درس روبرت بيب كل العمليات الانتحارية بين ١٩٨٠ و ٢٠٠٣، عددها ٣١٥ عملية.استثنى منها العمليات المدعومة من قبل الحكومات مثل عمليات كوريا الشمالية ضد جارتها الجنوبية.تظهر قاعدة البيانات هذه ضعف الارتباط بين العمليات الانتحارية والأصولية الاسلامية.فنمور التاميل وهي حركة ماركسي [...]

    7. This is something I thing everyone should read in light of the events on and following 9/11This idea that somehow the attacks were motivated simply by religious indoctrination is both a flawed and dangerous idea. It's easy for someone like Bin Laden to have won over poor and abused people using God or Allah as a scale tipper, but the real reason are strictly political and territorial in nature. This book explain this in a clear and concise, a fairly readable format. If you don't "get it" after r [...]

    8. This book examines the known facts about suicide terrorism, using data about suicide bombers ages, social class, education and motivation. Pape offers convincing evidence that suicide bombers are not, as a rule, motivated by desperate personal circumstances but by military or economic occupation or domination of their territory. An excellent read, and a must-read book if we want to truly deal with terrorism.

    9. Suicide terrorists are not mostly Muslim, and they don't all do it because of religious reasons. Rather, the motives are more nationalistic and sophisticated than we think, and are often part of a larger campaign. Fascinating and accurate account of every single known suicide bombing attack in recent history and their effect on society. It's hard being the only one to have read this book.

    10. Does anyone else feel like the episode of South Park satirizing Jersey Shore was using the logic presented in Pape's book?

    11. An awesome book that sheds light on a much misunderstood topic. At times it gets a bit redundant but Mr. Pape hammers home the main point. Suicide terrorists are predominantly opposed to foreign occupation, not simply harbor ing strong hatred of the West.

    12. It's a pity that the conversation between this guy and Sam Harris' never happened. I feel like they would have both a lot to learn from each other.

    13. Very well researched This is a book that is well researched, and sheds light on the topic of suicide terrorism in a new way.It was a paradigm shifter for me.

    14. This is one of the books I am having a difficulty writing a review about as the matter at hand along with the author’s handling are quite complex.The book is based on a database created by Robert Pape and his team which tackled data on all suicide terrorism (as he puts it) incidents spanning from 1980 to 2003.With his iconoclastic findings, Pape challenges the conventional assumptions around the causes and motives behind suicide attacks.Plainly put, his main argument is that terrorists use sui [...]

    15. Way back in 2006, I was given an assignment by a local newspaper to write on suicide bombers - Pakistan has had quite a few of them and to the best of my knowledge everyone has either been affected by it personally or knows someone who has - just like cancer (also widespread in Pakistan). Once a bomb went off on the other side of the double road of the place we were living in at the time in Islamabad - I think one person died, 2 were injured or something. The night that Marriott bombing occurred [...]

    16. An academic analysis of the data of post-1983 suicide terrorist attacks, Dying to Win uncovers several crucial inaccurate assumptions about the backgrounds, motives, and support for suicide terrorists, including that it is a strategy confined to Islamist fanatics. Hezbollah is the founding organization for the modern version of this tactic and its effective use of it in Lebanon in 1983, when Reagan cut and ran after announcing we wouldn’t in the wake of the Marine barracks attack and Israel wi [...]

    17. Robert A Pape's "Dying to Win" discusses suicide terrorism. It comprises two major parts. First is a rigorous and fairly complete statistical study of suicide terror attacks during the period from 1980's through 2003. (The book was published in 2005.) Second is an analysis of the data.I have mixed feelings about the book. I am impressed with and appreciative of the statistical study. I feel that it, while probably missing some elements, does significantly advance our understanding of the phenome [...]

    18. A parody study of a true believer. Fanaticism and pseudo-logic primes, the rest could and should go to heck."THE TARGETS OF modern suicide terrorist campaigns have been democratic states which have stationed heavy combat troops on the territory that the terrorists viewed as their national homeland." No. Those with the homeland are the pan-arabism supporters, which are secular and want to use ethnicity as a support for a larger, more powerful union. What hysterical white old men call terrorists i [...]

    19. This book very clearly describes the causes and nature of suicide terrorism: namely, that it is mainly a response to foreign occupation. Specifically, "nationalist rebellion and religious difference between rebels and a dominant democratic state are the main conditions under which the foreign occupation of a community's homeland is likely to lead to a campaign of suicide terrorism as part of a national liberation strategy." Moreover, the majority of suicide terrorists are typically older secular [...]

    20. Pape's core argument is that suicide terrorism is a strategy used to coerce democracies into making concessions, when they are seen to be occupying foreign land. He stresses the role that 'foreignness' must play in the distinction between occupier and occupied, while also asserting that religious difference is necessary for the civilians in the occupied areas to support the campaign of suicide terrorism (noting the case of the PKK as a failed attempt). He focusses largely on Hamas, Hezbollah and [...]

    21. So far its slow because the begining chapters just keep repeating this thing over and over again.However, I am astonished. For some reason, I thought i had spent my entire childhood with this "suicide bombing" in exisistence, however, this book points out that the first such bombing to happen by Hamas was in 1994 which is crazy! I thought they had been doing it since forever, I am understanding that something strategically changed on the ground for these people to resort to such violent and dest [...]

    22. Interesting Quote:The close association between foreign military occupations and the growth of suicide terrorist movements in the occupied regions should make us hesitate over any strategy centering on the transformation of Muslim societies by means of heavy military powerwe should recognize that the sustained presence of heavy American combat forces in Muslim countries is likely to INCREASE the odds of the next 9/11."-Robert Pape, Dying to Win"American military policy in the Persian Gulf was th [...]

    23. Great points and perspectives presented. Would love to see an updated version of the book in light of events since 2003.However, I do not agree with some conclusions and inferences made in the book. Data collection method is also somewhat iffy, but I guess it cannot be helped since there is a limited pool of suicide terrorists to study.Even with the above issues, the book is worth a read as an introductory alternative to the mainstream understanding of suicide terrorism.Also, I really appreciate [...]

    24. Initially, Dying to Win seemed fascinating, and I still think its central thesis -- that suicide terrorism shouldn't be thought of as "a religious thing", but rather as something carried out for nationalistic reasons -- is thought-provoking.However, the book quickly became incredibly repetitive, to the extent that I began to wonder if Robert Pape had enough material to warrant a whole book on this subject.

    25. An Islamic friend suggested I read this book. I had asked him a number of questions about Islam and terrorism. I consider myself politically well read and was surprised at how little I knew about the history of terrorism. The author definitely takes a position on how to reduce terrorist attacks in the US. It's a position I personally endorse but I definitely see the other sides on this one. I strongly recommend everyone read this book. It's timely and important.

    26. Interesting theory that I whole heartedly believe but as others have said, highly repetitive. Also, he constantly uses "statistics" that are very ineffectual or boring. So many times I skipped a section that is statistics heavy mostly because the sample size is so small to make even the most educated guess irrelevant. I would immensely love for the author to write an update with the last 12 years included and its effect on his thesis.

    27. Great work and a good overall study of the topic which I was happy to see covered more than simply the provincial view who terrorists are. This work provides a history of suicide terrorism and a detailed study of all groups presently doing so. I think the work could have used some stronger arguments, but if one is reading this work along with other works, the information found in here is extremely useful.

    28. A look at suicide terrorism around the world. Pape attempts a very scientific, unemotional approach to suicide terrorism based on suicide bombing statistics that he has compiled. The information presented is interesting and can be surprising, but the book gets repetitive at times. Some might not like his emotional detachment from suicide terrorists and their victims.

    29. So far, more evidence that we don't get attacked because they hate our freedom, but because we occupy their territories. Other suicide campaigns around the world do the same to their occupiers. As of 2003, the Liberation Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka carry out the most suicide bombings. Interesting question, "Were the Kamikazi's of Japan terrorists?"

    30. A significant econometric analysis of suicide terrorism. Comes to some very interesting conclusions. I dont agree with Pape's conceptual argument surrounding the quantitative research, I feel that it can be supplemented and explained in a better way, it is still a very good read and has a lot of explanatory powers.

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